tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post2405799240017227520..comments2024-03-29T03:19:09.227-04:00Comments on The Philosopher's Stone: IS CONFESSION GOOD FOR THE SOUL?Robert Paul Wolffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11970360952872431856noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-79032022486119008692017-06-16T01:10:59.347-04:002017-06-16T01:10:59.347-04:00By my scan of the world press and opinion presente...By my scan of the world press and opinion presented on various social media, it is only the Marxists that feel "ashamed" and opine that the rest of the world thinks of USA as a Pathetic Empire. In fact it was only Marxists that previously thought of USA as an Evil Empire. The non-Marxist world considers Marxists to be envious, resentful, wreckless and if allowed to amass, dangerous. Those feeling ashamed, if Sinaporeans in the 1970s and 80s, would also feel ashamed of being part of anti-Marxist, anti-communist Singapore, aka The Modern Economic Miracle of Singapore. Those who can't stand the shame might be able to relocate to Venezuela and then feel proud everyday. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14733931807140094808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-71801555680189201272017-06-09T03:23:33.544-04:002017-06-09T03:23:33.544-04:00Professor Wolff, I've been reading for awhile ...Professor Wolff, I've been reading for awhile now. I'm not an acolyte of yours, neither am I a Marxist, nor an academic. I am a woman, a housewife no less! I try to be proud.<br /><br />I am an English woman living in Australia so I watch the news from the USA, and the UK with a degree of detachment. I loath Donald Trump. At the same time I'm not enamoured of Jeremy Corbyn, but what I think doesn't matter a damn.<br /><br />That said, I greatly admire people who have principles and whose lives reflect that. You shouldn't be ashamed to be American because you are one, and there are many others like you. It's a long game.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-26753690952268435482017-06-05T15:26:07.335-04:002017-06-05T15:26:07.335-04:00http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world...http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/world/article154209369.html<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-88601123255971146612017-06-05T01:17:59.481-04:002017-06-05T01:17:59.481-04:00Professor Wolff --
In early 2002, I found myself ...Professor Wolff --<br /><br />In early 2002, I found myself spending a week and a half in Istanbul. When locals happened to ask where I was from, I replied Canada. I did this for a number of reasons, chief among which was the deep feeling of embarrassment (not so much shame) I felt as a citizen of a country that elected George W. Bush president (even if, like Trump, he did not receive the majority vote). Since I had lived in Montreal for two years, I felt confident that if someone had been to Canada and asked me a specific question that only a local would know, I could provide an answer with a fair degree of accuracy. Your post got me thinking: If I found myself abroad again, would I offer the same lie to the locals as I had done before? Reflecting on it now, I don't think so. I did not vote for Trump -- I voted against him. I am confident that I am not responsible for his election or the policies that he has subsequently enacted. I remain embarrassed of and by the US political leadership, as I have always been. However, whenever I encounter people from other countries or cultures, I always engage with them on an individual level -- not as a representative of their political leaders. I am sure that you do the same as well. We should expect others to do the same with us. If they are unable to engage on that level, then I consider that to be a failing on their part. Although I have never been "proud" to be an American (and probably never will be), I think I am done (for now) with hiding behind the Maple leaf.<br /><br />-- JimJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00826600172627425879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-60142479508711370532017-06-04T19:56:44.157-04:002017-06-04T19:56:44.157-04:00I think s. wallerstein has it about right. The re...I think s. wallerstein has it about right. The rest of the world, among them people whose opinion is worth something, sees us not so much as the evil empire now but as a somewhat pathetic empire. And while we (you, I think) feel no part of the evil do somehow feel part of the patheticness, perhaps impotence. Of course, that's the feeling; you really *shouldn't* feel shame. David Auerbachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15612242467208247588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-75429310054312252942017-06-04T17:29:10.003-04:002017-06-04T17:29:10.003-04:00Is it Trump generally or some special thing he ha...Is it Trump generally or some special thing he has done recently that has set you off? Picking a twitter fight with the Mayor of London just after a terrorist attack is pretty low, though of course of no great consequence in the larger scheme of things.Charles Pigdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01131765562671298571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-25684500732885711942017-06-04T17:12:10.807-04:002017-06-04T17:12:10.807-04:00I can't know what you feel, but what I feel is...I can't know what you feel, but what I feel is a sense of guilt through association, which I would describe as embarrassment rather than shame. Its like when someone you care about does something wrong or stupid, rather than when you realize you did something ethically wrong. When I do something wrong, I am ashamed. If my family or friends or nation does something wrong, or if I do something stupid, then its more a feeling of embarrassment. Degree of responsibility has a lot to do with this. And from what I know of you from your writings, you have little responsibility for President Trump's election. Jerry Brownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-63090620242747098462017-06-04T16:59:09.770-04:002017-06-04T16:59:09.770-04:00Color me embarrassed, humiliated and mortified. To...Color me embarrassed, humiliated and mortified. Today I met a German immigrant who said that she was no longer proud of this country. F Lengyelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16870219925438756983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-10182878050808575992017-06-04T16:24:22.500-04:002017-06-04T16:24:22.500-04:00Let's see if I can be helpful...
Shame, as y...Let's see if I can be helpful...<br /><br />Shame, as you know, unlike guilt, always involves a witness, a gaze. In my experience, shame and guilt often come together, get mixed, but other people may have different experiences. <br /><br />Anyway, if I feel shame, there is a witness before whom I feel that shame. That witness may imaginary, may be my creation (the eyes of the third world) or it may be real<br />(the poor kids who stare at me each time I get out of my Lexus). <br /><br />First, I'd identify before whom I feel shame, and examine critically if I consider that point of view to be correct. Maybe it's not, maybe it is. If it's not, I may still feel shame, but it will weigh less heavily upon my soul. For example, I may still feel a little ashamed of going to an elite university before the gaze of people who cannot pay for an elite education, but since I use my education to increase political awareness, I pay little attention to my shame, although it persists.<br /><br />However, let's say that in this case I decide that the shaming point of view is correct. I need to sell my Lexus and give the money to the poor or to a leftwing radical party or to a global NGO. I begin to take the bus along with the working class, and my shame disappears. <br /><br />So if you decide that your shame comes from a "true" (I know that word has a precise philosophical meaning) perception of the situation, you need to act in face of the shaming witness. Whether or not Congress impeaches Trump seems irrelevant since you need to right your situation in the face of the shaming witness. <br /><br />Once you right your situation, I doubt that you're going to go back to being "proud to be an American" (if you ever were). You've crossed a line (that's my experience at least), but you are no longer either proud of or shamed to be an American. You've transcended that duality, so to speak. <br /><br />s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-64272108594024037622017-06-04T16:23:46.222-04:002017-06-04T16:23:46.222-04:00Howard, Thank you. I am touched by your response,...Howard, Thank you. I am touched by your response, which is entirely appropriate and in tune with my thoughts.Robert Paul Wolffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11970360952872431856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-73674572755034797212017-06-04T14:44:40.455-04:002017-06-04T14:44:40.455-04:00Dear Professor:
The emotion I feel more I'd l...Dear Professor:<br /><br />The emotion I feel more I'd label fear, of what's next and whether our struggle will suffice. I feel angry at those Americans who brought us to this day. Shame implies responsibility. Perhaps you feel shame because you felt you could have steered our course, by your books or activism or teaching. Freud thought psychoanalysis would help save the world. I doubt he felt shame. Shame implies responsibility. Your emotion is there for a reason. Your emotion is communicating something to you- though we are all in this together, you're not responsible for America anymore than Thoreau was responsible for the Civil War. We have to be ready to fight and realize that perhaps the sun is setting on the dawn we fancied ourselves. Shame does not win struggles. Dr. Martin Luther King did not wage his battle with shame, and history is rarely in control of one man or woman, even the better angels among us.<br /><br />Howardhowie bermannoreply@blogger.com