tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post2946000642113403211..comments2024-03-29T03:19:09.227-04:00Comments on The Philosopher's Stone: PAYING ONE'S DEBTSRobert Paul Wolffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11970360952872431856noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-1199931874832302042018-05-27T09:19:08.775-04:002018-05-27T09:19:08.775-04:00Ed Barreras, a great passage. Thank you!Ed Barreras, a great passage. Thank you!Robert Paul Wolffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11970360952872431856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-5284565083548715532018-05-26T22:13:48.916-04:002018-05-26T22:13:48.916-04:00As mentioned above, the basic idea of things outsi...As mentioned above, the basic idea of things outside of us being parts of our minds (and so, people getting "smarter" in some sense when we invent writing, but also better things to write with, not just google and computers and the like) is a pretty hot topic in philosophy of mind now. It's not the "foundational" paper in any real sense (others had written on it before) but the paper that really sparked recent though is this fairly short one by Andy Clark and David Chalmers: https://icds.uoregon.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Clark-and-Chalmers-The-Extended-Mind.pdf <br /><br />(Clark is the bigger proponent of the idea, and has written a lot on it.) Interestingly, they had a pretty hard time getting the paper published, and it now has a huge number of citations. <br /><br />I use google in similar ways all the time, but most often, perhaps, for looking up words I don't know when I read. It used to be something I found difficult, in part because I'm often reading while moving around and so not near a dictionary. I really like being able to look up unfamiliar words, or people, or places, in readings very quickly. Sadly, my students, who have had smart phones most of their thinking lives, still almost never do this unless asked. Too bad. Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446428606119200980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-39111876664965287172018-05-26T19:46:39.142-04:002018-05-26T19:46:39.142-04:00Nevermind Sergei Brin. Pull from the shelf another...Nevermind Sergei Brin. Pull from the shelf another volume from Plato (Phaedrus), and you’ll see that it’s actually the Egyptian god Theuth to whom we all owe a true debt.<br /><br />Socrates: I heard, then, that at Naucratis, in Egypt, was one of the ancient gods of that country, the one whose sacred bird is called the ibis, and the name of the god himself was Theuth. He it was who [274d] invented numbers and arithmetic and geometry and astronomy, also draughts and dice, and, most important of all, letters. Now the king of all Egypt at that time was the god Thamus, who lived in the great city of the upper region, which the Greeks call the Egyptian Thebes, and they call the god himself Ammon. To him came Theuth to show his inventions, saying that they ought to be imparted to the other Egyptians. But Thamus asked what use there was in each, and as Theuth enumerated their uses, expressed praise or blame, according as he approved [274e] or disapproved. The story goes that Thamus said many things to Theuth in praise or blame of the various arts, which it would take too long to repeat; but when they came to the letters, “This invention, O king,” said Theuth, “will make the Egyptians wiser and will improve their memories; for it is an elixir of memory and wisdom that I have discovered.” But Thamus replied, “Most ingenious Theuth, one man has the ability to beget arts, but the ability to judge of their usefulness or harmfulness to their users belongs to another;and now you, who are the father of letters, have been led by your affection to ascribe to them a power the opposite of that which they really possess. For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem [275b] to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise.Ed Barrerashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00245166137503830356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-25501107864970364372018-05-26T19:18:16.442-04:002018-05-26T19:18:16.442-04:00"Knowledge is of two kinds. We know a subject..."Knowledge is of two kinds. We know a subject ourselves, or we know where we can find information upon it. When we enquire into any subject, the first thing we have to do is to know what books have treated of it. This leads us to look at catalogues, and at the backs of books in libraries." -- Samuel Johnson (according to Boswell)Dean C. Rowannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-39715358823095465662018-05-26T16:28:20.886-04:002018-05-26T16:28:20.886-04:00I'm over 10 years younger than you are, but ...I'm over 10 years younger than you are, but I use Google in exactly the same way. <br /><br />What's worse is that sometimes I forget what I'm trying to remember before I get to my computer to google it. <br /><br />Here are some wise words from George Burns about our memories: "first you forget names, then you forget faces, next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down." <br /> <br /><br /><br />s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-32305115191599023912018-05-26T12:32:36.773-04:002018-05-26T12:32:36.773-04:00Except that the first was just a jeu d'esprit ...Except that the first was just a jeu d'esprit and the second was my one shot at immortality. :) oh well.Robert Paul Wolffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11970360952872431856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-19816909192064358692018-05-26T12:09:42.954-04:002018-05-26T12:09:42.954-04:00Now if you really want to depress yourself, embark...Now if you really want to depress yourself, embark on a search, perhaps starting w Google Scholar (though there are other engines available), for those who might have commented on the significance of those transubstantiation passages before you did.<br /><br />That would be roughly the same, I suppose, as reading Jon Roemer's comment on your Phil & Pub Aff article and discovering that that Spanish economist had already made the argument/proof re the defects in Marx's exposition/modeling of the labor theory of value.LFCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-70404449906277059122018-05-26T11:54:18.083-04:002018-05-26T11:54:18.083-04:00If you ask Brin's wonderful invention about th...If you ask Brin's wonderful invention about the "extended mind" thesis, you'll find some similar thoughts.Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17379079842739772026noreply@blogger.com