tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post2948235363777790193..comments2024-03-28T06:07:03.667-04:00Comments on The Philosopher's Stone: DOING GOD'S WORKRobert Paul Wolffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11970360952872431856noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-41061885287547550162018-07-20T09:49:27.344-04:002018-07-20T09:49:27.344-04:00Kissinger vs. Stalin.
I'm eliminating Pol...Kissinger vs. Stalin. <br /><br />I'm eliminating Pol Pot because I can't see that he did anything good.<br /><br />We'll look at things in pure consequentialist terms, the greatest good for the greatest number. Individual human lives have no importance, mere colateral damage.<br /><br />Stalin industrialized the Soviet Union and raised the standard of living, the educational level and the quality of healthcare for hundreds of millions of Soviet citizens. After a bad start (the pact with Hitler), he defeated fascism and thus, saved Europe from the worst political system on record, fascism. <br /><br />Kissinger reached the agreement with the Vietnamese which ended decades of war, leading to a lasting peace in the region. He reached an agreement with the Chinese which allowed China to participate in the global economy (capitalist) system, thus raising the standard of living of hundreds of millions of Chinese and allowing the rest of us access to low cost consumer goods (my computer and probably yours). Once again, we're looking at the big picture, not at minor variables like the exploitation and suffering of Chinese workers who make our computers and I-phones. <br /><br />All in all, I suppose that we could make the case that Stalin did more good than Kissinger since I doubt that Kissinger was concerned with living standards in China and low cost I-phones when he reached his deal with Mao and Stalin consciously did aim at raising living standards in the Soviet Union. Still, there we are bringing in intentions, not just consequences. Maybe Stalin had "better" intentions.<br /><br />However, victors write history and Kissinger's side won, thanks to him to a certain extent, and I suppose that Kissinger's positive role in the official version of history is due to a conscious or even unconscious recognition that his crimes and virtues led to the victory of those who are writing the history books.<br />s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-31560874586085021712018-07-20T05:32:19.724-04:002018-07-20T05:32:19.724-04:00Great quote from Kierkegaard; it explains a lot.
...<br />Great quote from Kierkegaard; it explains a lot.<br /><br />LFC: I don't think you are giving Kissinger his due. In Stalin we see the butchery of a mechanic. In Pol Pot, the work of a thug. But in Kissinger we see the hand and cunning of a true master. Who else has multiple mass murders under his belt, who has received a freaking Nobel Peace Prize, and is feted to this day as a statesman of the highest caliber. <br /><br />In Hitchens' The Trial of Henry Kissinger, Hitchens' bill of indictment ("identifiable crimes") "include:" 1). deliberate mass killing of civilian populations in Indochina; 2). deliberate collusion in mass murder and later in assassination in Bangladesh; 3).the personal suborning and planning of murder, of a senior constitutional officer in a democratic nation - Chile - with which the US was not at war; 4). personal involvement in a plan to murder the head of state in the democratic nation of Cyprus; 5). the incitement and enabling of genocide in East Timor; 6). personal involvement in a plan to kidnap and murder a journalist living in Washington,DC. <br /><br />And who could forget (given the current talk of treason and the surveilling of government officials by the FBI) Kissinger's role in consciously sabotaging the Vietnam peace negotiations in Paris in the fall of 1968, resulting in the deaths of an additional 30,000 Americans? Come, come! By measures of variety, body count, global reach, and sheer contempt for democracy, Henry the K probably stands alone. Clearly journalists, intellectuals, and others responsible for the indoctrination of the American public, over the decades, have been busily and unreflectively, like all the rest, rolling tubs around.Jerry Fresiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17566575038825699112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-8651427016119583882018-07-19T22:54:34.346-04:002018-07-19T22:54:34.346-04:00Completely off topic.
Henry Kissinger had a recen...Completely off topic.<br /><br />Henry Kissinger had a recent piece in The Atlantic in which he worries about artificial intelligence (searching on "kissinger artifical intelligence" will get you to it). I've not yet done more than skim it, but there's something gag-worthy about Kissinger, of all people, worrying about machines that are not "governed by ethical or philosophical norms" [sic].<br /><br />A reaction to the Kissinger piece at the site Boing Boing, which I've also only skimmed, may go a tad overboard in equating Kissinger's crimes with those of Pol Pot and Stalin. (Though it's true that an innocent victim of the U.S. bombing of Cambodia and an innocent victim of Pol Pot's killing fields were equally dead.) Anyway, just thought some here might be interested...LFCnoreply@blogger.com