There has been an overwhelming demand for my exchange with Richard Wolff forty years ago [well, two people, but in my world, that is deafening.] So I am going to propose a second-best solution. Below you will see the WORD conversion of the first page of the .pdf scan of my initial letter to Rick Wolff, Tony Callari, and Bruce Roberts. It is an unholy mess, but it is readable with effort. No self-respecting web surfer will pause for two minutes to struggle through it, but perhaps the cognoscendi, the elite insiders, will find this adequate. Let me know, and if the anwer is yes, then I will fairly quickly produce the rest.
What do you say? Think of this as archival research or the decoding of the Rosetta Stone. No one said true knowledge would be easy.
Professor Richard Wolff
Mr. AntQn:ino Callari
Mr o Bruce Roberta
Oentlemen (and revered
colleagues):
I have read
your fine paper,
nMarxian and Ricardian Economics: Fm14iamental Difference au, with great interest
and profito I found it enroinously helpful to me, and in considerable JU measure persuasive as regards the
significant differences between
the theories of Ricardo
and Marxo I am not convinced of the merits of the rather
high-powered methodologicli assumptions(regarding "two sciences," etc} through which you express your
conclusions,
but that is an issue that can perhaps await
exploration at a later dateo
In this communica tion,
I should like to focus my attention on two specific, but very fWldamental, po:ints.
With regard
to the first, I believe that you have gone astray,
philosophically; with regard to the second, I believe that you are absolutely correct, but that your
case can
be made stronger, in wa ·s that I shall suggesto I am c o uc hing these reflections in the
fonn of a letter to you three,
but I shall
take the liberty
of circulating t hem more widely to other members
of our community with similar interests and concerwo I might say that availability
of such a community is, for
me, an experience unique in my intellectual
and professional career, and a fringe benefit of incalculable value at
UMasso
The two points to which I shall address
J'I\YSelf are these: First, your use of the term "overdetermined,'' which I believe to be confused in non-trivial ways; and Second, your
discussion of the fundamental
Jifferences between Marx and the fteo-Ricardians (and Ricardo himself) on the matter of the relationship between circulation and productiono
Io The 6oncept
of Overdetermination
I believe that you are using the term 11overdetermine11d in a a way that deviates both from the meaning
of Freud, who introduced it into the
literature, and also
(perhapsl) from
the meaning of Althusser, who acknowledges his debt to Freud, arrl to whom
you in turn acknowledge your debto Now,
ordinarily there is not much to be gained from
tenninological
quibbles. Macy philosophers
have
taken the
position of the
Caterpiller in Alice in Wonderland, who, when he used a word, made
it mean whatever he wished it tomean:-.tzll%eilll Plato appears to have begm1 this practice, and virtually every
great philosopher since
has fol1owed suito
Nevertheless, I intend
to quibble about the meaning of the term,
for this reason: I think Althusser, clearly or unclearly, was
on to a very profound, very powerful, and highly problematical
methodological insight when he described social formations or phenomena as " over de t e rmi ne d o11 Your quite different
use of the tenn loses that power profundity, and methodological novelty, reaucing the notion• to a rather familiar
one
that has long been
known and used in the social sciences, particularly in functionalist sociologyo It is at least worth trying to recapture the original
meaning, in order
to see whether there is scrnethimJ of philosophical value in it worth preserving0 (A similar fate has been suffered by Durkheim's concept of anomie,
as well as by the notion
of
x0 ideology).
The notion of overdetermination is introduced by Freud (as you note, with appropriate
references), in order to deal
with certain problems in the interpretation of dr e ams 0 As
a result of what Freud
calls condensation and
displacement in the 11dr e am- wor k, " the symbolism or meaning 0£ dreams becomes
highly compressedo Mxrl Through processes of
association, certain
symbols or elements
of the dream
may take on several quite discrete
an<
·
not naturally related
meanings; in addition,
a
certain meaning may
turn up in several different elements
of the dreamo
Although Freud on occasion offers some highly
tentatiYe peysiological speculations about the mechanisms of association (including, for example, the suggestion that thoughts running
along spatially contiguous nerve-pathwro,s may thereby
become associated together), he clearly concluded on the basis of his
clinical observatioM
Just email me the pdf and I'll convert it.
ReplyDeleteThanks for posting this Prof. Wolff.
ReplyDeleteThe paper by Wolff, Roberts and Callari was initially published in 1982 so maybe this exchange is about a working paper version, any chance you might remember?
I ask because you had mentioned before that you suspected that the exchange might have happened in the late 1970s. Also, it would seem to be a continuation of your questioning of their use of overdetermination that had started when you sat in one of Rick Wolff's classes, which had to be in the late 70s (they get to Althusser via their reading of Hindess and Hirst in the mid 70s, but I think you also mentioned this in your memoir). I'm just trying to help figuring out the dating of this. Again, thanks for doing this.
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ReplyDeleteYes, please continue. Apart from the suspense about where you are going with the concept, I'm enjoying the artfulness of how intellectuals at your level stick the knife into one another - a surgical strike, it appears, tactful, and dripping with enough erudition to make any counterattack difficult. But then there were other independent dimensions that could explain a defense that would give any counterattacker pause: scholar not just on Kant, but on Marx and Freud, not to mention the fact that you were personal friends with at least one of the giants emerging out of the Frankfurt School and obviously steeped in concepts introduced by Freud and ones relevant to a Marxist analysis. Given that your defense was determined by two, if not more, independent explanations, one might say it was ...(ahem) pretty strong.
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