tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post1094691456878928763..comments2024-03-29T03:19:09.227-04:00Comments on The Philosopher's Stone: THE MYTH OF THE SELF-MADE MANRobert Paul Wolffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11970360952872431856noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-49131545034683350982012-10-22T17:48:36.837-04:002012-10-22T17:48:36.837-04:00I think I've always found it strange that the ...I think I've always found it strange that the Working & lower Middle Class will vote for people that wish to pay them less, probably whilst getting them to work harder for longer. Often the only reason I can find for this is wrapped up in racism, usually hiding behind dumb patriotism. <br /><br />A poor person has as much right to patriotism as a rich man in the same country but will often wave the flag higher & harder because they see it as elite club, they're in it together against anyone that isn't. So a rich man can send a peasant thousands of miles to kill other peasants because the rich man is on their 'side'.<br /><br />You can see what other 'self made men' of Romney's ilk are achieving in the UK, where the current (mostly Conservative) government is more extreme than the Thatcher government of the '80's i.e bailout the bankers sack the workers.Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07300817191768358161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-40841553527900048272012-10-22T15:16:09.793-04:002012-10-22T15:16:09.793-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ultimate Philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04097520862033889365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-53173961898808815552012-10-22T15:15:35.950-04:002012-10-22T15:15:35.950-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ultimate Philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04097520862033889365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-88328904641184144852012-10-22T15:14:19.671-04:002012-10-22T15:14:19.671-04:00What if, um, the "self-made" idea might ...What if, um, the "self-made" idea might be, in some versions, quite modest - say, in effect, that all it's affirming is free will. For example: How Kant came from a modest background and eventually made quite a name for himself through hard work, dedication, etc. Sure, he didn't create his own hardwired thinking powers, but presumably he is due moral credit for having applied them diligently. Or is this one of the "delusions" of mainstream Western thought/culture? (It appears that a certain Prof. Rawls had some things to say against that around p. 102 or so of <i>A Theory of Justice</i>. . . .)Ultimate Philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04097520862033889365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-16011059061456292412012-10-22T09:54:06.817-04:002012-10-22T09:54:06.817-04:00I agree, and don't get me wrong Obama is much ...I agree, and don't get me wrong Obama is much better than Mitt, like Gore would have been better than Bush. Yet it is important to remember that a good part of the pro-business side of the Dems do want to privatize Social Security, and it's far from clear that this agenda would be closed in an Obama 2nd term.Matias Vernengohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09521604894748538215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-35512555210652957252012-10-22T09:27:39.707-04:002012-10-22T09:27:39.707-04:00The shoddiness of the product shows the conceit of...The shoddiness of the product shows the conceit of being 'self-made' as even more laughable.Don Schneierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12751277350617015241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-19554317756168035532012-10-22T08:25:44.368-04:002012-10-22T08:25:44.368-04:00I am reminded of a play by George Bernard Shaw, Th...I am reminded of a play by George Bernard Shaw, The Millionairess. The text is here:<br /><br />http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300121h.html<br /><br />The play is a delight, even if the point that sticks in the memory is the minor one that the law will not stand in the way of your calling someone an unmitigated rhinoceros. Shaw's preface is a rich trove of acerbic comments with contemporary relevance (as well as some without). Here is an example:<br /><br />"A late rich shipowner, engaged in a quarrel with his workmen in which he assumed that I was on their side, rashly asked me what his men could do without him. Naturally I asked him what he could do without them, hoping to open his eyes to the fact that apart from the property rights he had bought or borrowed he was as dependent on them as they on him. But I fear I impressed him most by adding, quite untruly, that no gentleman would have asked that question."Richard Baronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10852018070970602834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-46269439039941800922012-10-21T13:19:25.390-04:002012-10-21T13:19:25.390-04:00The capacity of the Masters of the Universe for se...The capacity of the Masters of the Universe for self-deception never fails to astonish me. Robert Paul Wolffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11970360952872431856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-86141935601561610772012-10-21T11:20:34.723-04:002012-10-21T11:20:34.723-04:00"When [Mitt] created a trust fund for his chi..."When [Mitt] created a trust fund for his children, valued at some $100 million, he made the disbursements discretionary rather than have them pay out at regular intervals or when the kids reached a certain age. He wanted to send the message that Romneys don’t join the leisure class. "<br /><br />it makes me laugh when you hear repeated the delusional belief of rich people who believe they're only giving their kids the teeniest bit of their wealth, like Warren Buffett. Why, Buffett only gives his kids 22 years of support, and then cuts them off after they graduate college! (said in shocked voice)Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01336450973849830980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-83219075702419523782012-10-21T11:17:47.259-04:002012-10-21T11:17:47.259-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01336450973849830980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-82111273631452001542012-10-21T09:30:10.336-04:002012-10-21T09:30:10.336-04:00By coincidence, yesterday I was reading Melville, ...By coincidence, yesterday I was reading Melville, who says the same thing in Chapter 72 of MOBY-DICK. We are all dependent on each other in this life, as the wisest are well aware.P. J. Grathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12693462910472164289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-73751872334471539002012-10-21T09:20:17.159-04:002012-10-21T09:20:17.159-04:00So isn't it just less stupid to vote Obama, an...So isn't it just less stupid to vote Obama, and really smart to vote Jill Stein? I mean if everyone was operating on an enlightened field, she's the superior candidate.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250295324149056708noreply@blogger.com