tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post2090398595251434198..comments2024-03-29T03:19:09.227-04:00Comments on The Philosopher's Stone: ZINGERSRobert Paul Wolffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11970360952872431856noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-46367354930781719842021-08-17T14:52:58.857-04:002021-08-17T14:52:58.857-04:00MCA Live Transfer Leads professional guarantees ...<a href="https://businessleadsworld.com/pricing/" rel="nofollow"> MCA Live Transfer Leads </a> professional guarantees to deliver best qualified for <a href="https://businessleadsworld.com/pricing/" rel="nofollow"> MCA Aged Leads </a> with precise and updated knowledge prepared for conversion MCA Live Leads.Jacob Weberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16789254916564205967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-91376637099935827132021-04-28T14:45:05.313-04:002021-04-28T14:45:05.313-04:00Here's a zinger---well, it zinged me anyway. L...Here's a zinger---well, it zinged me anyway. Last year I sent an e-mail to a certain French philosopher, asking him about a particular point in one of his latest essays. Since I genuinely respected this philosopher/cognitive scientist, I put a good deal of effort into crafting my inquiry. His response: "How dare you propose to me such an idiotic question." After re-reading my e-mail, I respect him still. jeffrey g kessennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-35835339223718913302021-04-27T22:11:40.485-04:002021-04-27T22:11:40.485-04:00Since Machiavelli was brought up by M. Llenos in t...Since Machiavelli was brought up by M. Llenos in the other thread, I'll offer one of my favorite lines from <i>The Prince</i>, not perhaps a "zinger," but anyway: "Everyone sees how you appear, few touch what you are...." (chap. 18; H. Mansfield trans.) LFCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-32211426097031375212021-04-27T20:59:51.742-04:002021-04-27T20:59:51.742-04:00No more zingers?
Very disappointing. I was so loo...No more zingers?<br /><br />Very disappointing. I was so looking forward to them.David Zimmermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05508979511627745008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-413687537255804732021-04-27T17:26:08.906-04:002021-04-27T17:26:08.906-04:00Wittgenstein: "The trouble with Freddie Ayer ...Wittgenstein: "The trouble with Freddie Ayer is that he's clever ALL the time." Speaking of being clever all the time, let's not forget Jerry Fodor--- though his clarity and wit, unlike Ayer's, almost always carries the philosophical day. One of the few rivals of Morgenbesser.jeffrey g kessennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-34418167916991892352021-04-26T21:16:39.424-04:002021-04-26T21:16:39.424-04:00DZ, if I recall correctly, the line about metaphor...DZ, if I recall correctly, the line about metaphorical premises and philosophical arguments is followed just a few pages later with the ditty about the six consciousnesses of one guy reading the six words of a six word sentence and the six consciousnesses of six guys reading one word each, which certainly seems like something that one could easily call an intuition pump. (Btw, Kant's Theory of Mental Activity, p. 101....) In the case at hand, though, the recitation about the readers is one of the metaphors that needs a literal account. Although an account of synthesis is the goal, the parts about metaphors and allegories zing by my lights. Is an intuition pump a metaphor? Sometimes an intuition pump is an allegory. The name of the intuition pump is a metaphor, but it may be that an intuition pump is not a metaphor. I initially thought that it could be some kind of as yet little understood cognitive mechanism, but such mechanisms often make themselves known via language, so maybe they are figures of speech? Andrew Lionel Blaishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01976034095806583387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-58011206622902157432021-04-26T03:15:11.946-04:002021-04-26T03:15:11.946-04:00Sartre contrasts freedom with a situation in which...Sartre contrasts freedom with a situation in which the question of the legitimacy of power can be answered perfectly clearly and unambiguously. And this sentence was dynamite in a country where the question of collaboration was as traumatic as in France after the war and after Vichy. He could also have said: We were free, but did we seize freedom?<br /><br />Sartre does not say: The Jews were never freer than in Auschwitz.Achim Kriechel (A.K.)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-28224772637788927652021-04-25T20:57:24.563-04:002021-04-25T20:57:24.563-04:00I respect s.w.'s personal participation in the...I respect s.w.'s personal participation in the resistance to Pinochet, and s.w. is free to admire whatever speaks to him.<br /><br />It might be interesting to get other perspectives. I myself, as someone who did not live through it or anything comparable, wonder how widely this Sartrean view of the Resistance was shared by those in it. I don't know. But there are other accounts out there, obviously. The noted historian Marc Bloch, just to take one example, who was in the Resistance and was executed by the Nazis, perhaps had a different view than Sartre's. (Or Simone Weill maybe?)<br /><br />A lot of people who were partisans (in the WW2 sense of that word), guerrilla fighters or otherwise in the resistance in various countries (and including in ghettos and camps) lost their lives obviously. Some of them are well known, like Bloch or, say, Frank Thompson (E.P. Thompson's brother) who was killed in Yugoslavia. Many are known only to specialists in the period or not known at all. Sartre's take on it has heightened visibility b.c he was a writer, just as the perspective of those writers who were involved say in the Spanish civil war has survived. But one might do well to remember that the resistance in various countries was largely driven by a lot of people who were not philosophers or writers and never published a word.LFChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13551197682770555147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-89618789730689979062021-04-25T20:24:14.989-04:002021-04-25T20:24:14.989-04:00Sure, you don't have to follow him.
Profe...Sure, you don't have to follow him. <br /><br />Professor Wolff asked for catchy lines from philosophers. I sent one from Sartre.<br /><br />From what you, David Z, say above, you're not fond of French thinkers. I am.<br /><br />Maybe you could think of Sartre's lines as something similar to "It's forbidden to forbid" from Paris, May 1968. Yes, it's self-contradictory, but it inspires lots of people and it makes some of us think, maybe not you.<br /><br />As I said in my response to LFC, I did live through the Pinochet dictatorship in Chile, not as bad as Nazi Germany to be sure, and I did participate in what might be called "the resistance" to the dictatorship and those lines of Sartre speak to me. <br /><br />"Free" in the sense of having to make constant decisions about what matters to one, with a certain risk (I don't believe that I risked my life, but others who had the same experience as I did do believe that they risked their lives), in the sense of having to choose what one's real values are, not one's theoretical values or values to be proclaimed in twitter. You may not call that "freedom". Sartre does and I will too having living that situation (one of Sartre's favorite words) myself.<br /><br />s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-3583470831348477252021-04-25T20:11:19.390-04:002021-04-25T20:11:19.390-04:00Oy, bloody vey:
Here are the opening lines of &qu...Oy, bloody vey:<br /><br />Here are the opening lines of "Paris Alive":<br /><br />The article, his first published in America, begins with a contradiction. <br /><br />"Never were we freer than under the German occupation. We had lost all our rights, and first of all our right to speak. They insulted us to our faces. ... They deported us en masse. ... And because of all this we were free." <br /><br />For Sartre, who lived in Paris during the war*, the courage to resist suffering was "the secret of a man." But the perils of the Resistance were to be shared: <br /><br />"And that is why the Resistance was a true democracy; for the soldier, as for his superior, the same danger, the same loneliness, the same responsibility, the same absolute freedom within the discipline." <br /><br />Sir..... Tell me, please, how "the courage to resist," and how "the perils of the Resistance were to be shared" ... add up to anything worth calling freedom, much less absolute freedom. Struggle, yes, but not freedom.<br /><br />Sorry, but this is just Sartre at his most rhetorically reckless.<br /><br />He did a lot of that... But we don't have to follow him. David Zimmermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05508979511627745008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-86357038260387346292021-04-25T20:03:48.988-04:002021-04-25T20:03:48.988-04:00So, S. Wallenstein.... Let me ask.
What could the...So, S. Wallenstein.... Let me ask.<br /><br />What could the estimable J-P Sartre possibly mean-- sensibly mean-- by saying that he has never been so free as he has been under the Nazi [emphasis Nazi] Occupation?<br /><br />Please provide us with the reference...... I will look it up... with your assistance.<br /><br />But, I have to say, I still won't believe him there, whatever he says.<br /><br />He lived for 4-5 years under Nazi....... Nazi..... Occupation.<br /><br />I'd much rather attribute his absurd [alert: existentialist] term to his metaphysics than to anything else. David Zimmermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05508979511627745008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-41110337064312525892021-04-25T19:41:45.543-04:002021-04-25T19:41:45.543-04:00Sorry, that's not what he means.
The words a...Sorry, that's not what he means.<br /><br />The words are the opening lines of an essay "Paris Alive", which is available online. Read it, it's free. s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-3994842522228733562021-04-25T19:41:27.936-04:002021-04-25T19:41:27.936-04:00Sorry... I inverted the "former" and &qu...Sorry... I inverted the "former" and "latter" in the third paragraph of the comment.<br /><br /><br />The former of the previous line: Being-in-itself and "facticity".... The latter being-for-itself" and "transcendence" <br /><br />Damn.... These Sartrean distinctions.David Zimmermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05508979511627745008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-35677888895137240572021-04-25T19:36:12.227-04:002021-04-25T19:36:12.227-04:00I have a less flattering interpretation of this mo...I have a less flattering interpretation of this most puzzling remark of JP Sartre about the freedom afforded under the occupation....<br /><br />A central feature of Sartre's metaphysics [if that is the term] of the self [if that is the term] is the distinction between "being-for-itself" and "being-in-itself"--- alternatively, "transcendence" and "facticity."<br /><br />The former is the sphere of [more-or-less] the body, the latter of [more-or-less the rest, i.e. consciousness and the like].<br /><br />His idea--- if I understand it at all--- is that genuine [one of his favourite words] freedom is to be secured only in the former realm [being-in-itself or transcendence].... <br /><br />That idea would leave it open that a being-in-itself or transcendence might enjoy genuine freedom even if its [hers? his?] facticity [say, its, hers or his] body in the Paris of Sartre's neighbourhood of Montparnesse from 1940-45] was under Nazi occupation. <br /><br />Not a bad interpretation, if I do say so myself....<br /><br />But pretty repellent, nonetheless<br /><br />I await comments from those who know more about Sartre than I do.<br />David Zimmermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05508979511627745008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-40702299357834724482021-04-25T18:23:29.240-04:002021-04-25T18:23:29.240-04:00Sartre is asking us to think a bit about what free...Sartre is asking us to think a bit about what freedom is. <br /><br />I lived through 11 years of the 17 year Pinochet dictatorship in Chile and I might say that we in Chile were never freer than under Pinochet. <br /><br />Nietzsche says (Twilight of the Idols) in his discussion of freedom that the free man is a warrior. He doesn't mean that the free man (or woman) is a soldier, but that freedom is struggle, a struggle against an oppressive system and against our own tendency, that of all or almost all of us, to find a spiritual rut and to inhabit that rut. <br /><br />As for Sartre's political judgments I don't find them any more questionable than most people's. <br /> s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-46444607220333485032021-04-25T17:58:17.533-04:002021-04-25T17:58:17.533-04:00s. wallerstein
might I suggest that what Sartre a...s. wallerstein<br /><br />might I suggest that what Sartre actually meant was that "never did <i>I</i> [J-P Sartre] feel freer than under the German occupation," b.c even though he was a prisoner he was able to write etc. and I don't know enough about his bio, but I guess he found that paradoxically liberating. Or maybe he meant that the Resistance was a supreme exercise of freedom -- whatever.<br /><br />However, the fact is that only a minority were active in the Resistance and to suggest that <i>"we"</i> (as in "all the French") were "never freer than under the German occupation" is: (a) nonsense, (b) a piece of romantic and inflated rhetoric and/or (c) probably both.<br /><br />I think it's perhaps not an accident (if I may use that phrase) that Sartre's political judgments were sometimes questionable, to put it sort of charitably.<br /><br />But then this isn't the only thing you and I do not see eye to eye on...LFCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-91479940876312336622021-04-25T16:11:54.418-04:002021-04-25T16:11:54.418-04:00How about Jean Paul Sartre?
"Never were we f...How about Jean Paul Sartre?<br /><br />"Never were we freer than under the German occupation".s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-29420002972985595912021-04-25T15:40:46.592-04:002021-04-25T15:40:46.592-04:00One of my favorites from Hobbes comes later in Lev...One of my favorites from Hobbes comes later in Leviathan. I need to paraphrase since I don't have a copy handy, but he draws an extended analogy between the Catholic church and the kingdom of fairies in English folk tales, and wraps it up with a a line like "The fairies do not take wives but lay with many women. The priests also do not take wives."Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02418902467087334706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-72596184726361933652021-04-25T15:30:57.585-04:002021-04-25T15:30:57.585-04:00Back to zingers. In his own lifetime, Adam Smith ...Back to zingers. In his own lifetime, Adam Smith was considered a "moral philosopher" so I fell justified in entering <b><a href="http://media.bloomsbury.com/rep/files/primary-source-144-adam-smith-the-wealth-of-nations-on-slavery.pdf" rel="nofollow">the following</a></b> into the lists:<br /><br /><i>The late resolution of the Quakers in Pennsylvania to set at liberty all their [N]egro slaves, may satisfy us that their number cannot be very great.</i><br /><br />(I pair this in my mind with <b><a href="https://www.samueljohnson.com/america.html#:~:text=" rel="nofollow">the near contemporaneous zinger</a></b> of that non-philosopher, Samuel Johnson: <i>"How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?"</i>)marcel proustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-58364369390636079242021-04-25T15:05:54.587-04:002021-04-25T15:05:54.587-04:00David Palmeter: When blogs were not totally new bu...David Palmeter: When blogs were not totally new but still trendy (maybe 15-18 years ago), it was in some quarters considered a minor achievement to be the first to comment on a new blog post. There was a period when it was not uncommon to see "First!" as the entirety of the first comment. Occasionally I enjoy reliving those halcyon days, but "First!" doesn't work quite so well as the second comment: thus my second comment above. marcel proustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-71620866781064045672021-04-25T14:25:07.913-04:002021-04-25T14:25:07.913-04:00Sort of philosophical:
The French query: "Th...Sort of philosophical:<br /><br />The French query: "That is all very well in practice, but does it work in theory?"David Zimmermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05508979511627745008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-33092300105740195972021-04-25T14:15:48.358-04:002021-04-25T14:15:48.358-04:00Some from memory, so possibly mis-remembered, apoc...Some from memory, so possibly mis-remembered, apocryphal and/or fictitious:<br /><br />An alternative formulation by Morgenbesser: 'Pragmatism is true but it doesn't work.'<br />--Someone: 'Any philosophy that can be put in a nutshell belongs there.'<br />--Georg Lukács, reflecting upon his having been arrested after the Soviet suppression of the Hungarian revolution: 'Kafka was a realist.'<br />--Colleague to Heidegger, after his stint as a university rector:'Back from Syracuse?'<br />--Someone to Samuel Johnson: 'But surely, Sir, education aids the spread of ideas.' Johnson: 'Ideas, Sir, are spread by contagion, not education.'John Rapkonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-29412620280812238212021-04-25T13:11:38.482-04:002021-04-25T13:11:38.482-04:00There is this little ditty from John Barth’s, The ...There is this little ditty from John Barth’s, The Sot Weed Factor (arguably the funniest book ever written).<br /><br />Old Plato saw both Mind and Matter,<br />Tom Hobbes, naught but the latter.<br />Now poor Tom’s soul doth fry in Hell, <br />Shrugs God, “Tis immaterial.”Christopher J. Mulvaney, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15817420454023465228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-89451539910322792252021-04-25T12:50:39.720-04:002021-04-25T12:50:39.720-04:00Do intuition pumps count as metaphors?Do intuition pumps count as metaphors?David Zimmermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05508979511627745008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5687347459208158501.post-65936756356046080482021-04-25T12:48:47.833-04:002021-04-25T12:48:47.833-04:00"A serious philosophical argument cannot be b..."A serious philosophical argument cannot be based on a metaphorical premise."Andrew Lionel Blaishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01976034095806583387noreply@blogger.com