By now, probably, most of you have decamped for a more
interesting blog, but since at least one person -- Matt D -- seems to be
enjoying the back and forth between Professor Kliman and myself, I am going to
continue for one more go round. As Chris
has pointed out, Professor Kliman has posted a reply to my reply here,
and I am simply going to assume that Matt D and anyone else still with us has
taken the time to follow the link and read it.
Please do. It is not fair to
Professor Kliman for you to rely on my redaction of what he has said.
The first thing I must do is definitively clear up a
confusion. I am afraid that I have
managed to completely mislead Professor Kliman, although I confess that when I
re-read what I wrote it seemed clear to me.
[Isn't that always the way? I am
perpetually telling students that what matters is not whether what you have
written is clear to you! What matters is
whether it is clear to your readers.] So
let me say it again: I have intended all
along to be talking about single product linear reproduction systems in which at least as much is produced of each
commodity in each cycle of production as is required by the inputs into the
system as a whole, and in addition in
at least one line of production an actual
excess is produced over what is required by the inputs into the system as a
whole. To put the same thing another
way, the vector of outputs net of required inputs is semi-positive [i.e., each
element of the vector is either zero or greater than zero and at least one
element is greater than zero.]
Now, I would have thought that Professor Kliman would be
familiar with this stipulation, since it is the standard stipulation made by
all the "Sraffians" against whom he has been arguing for many years,
and with whom he conflates me. But if I
failed to make myself clear before, I apologize. I hope I have done so now.
So we come to the real meat of Professor Kliman's reply, his
apples and broccoli example. [I do wish
he had made it an apples and oranges example.
Then I could have made some jokes about how he is talking about apples
and oranges. Oh well. Another time.]
I must confess that when my eye caught Table 1 on page 3, I
skipped the intervening text and went straight for the numbers, which puzzled
me considerably, because I could not see that any apples or broccoli inputs
were specified. But then I went back and
read what Professor Kliman had written [always a good idea, by the way], and
there it was in black and white.
"Apples (good A) and broccoli (good B) grow on their own." Whoa! I said to myself. This is very strange indeed.
Let me break into my response to explain something to my
readers. Professor Kliman knows all about
what I am going to say, being a professional economist, but my readership [such
of it as is still with me] consists of philosophers and artists and Lord knows
whom else, so this may be news to them.
The discipline of economics as we now know it got its start
in the eighteenth century with the work of several Frenchmen who came to be
known in the trade as Physiocrats. The
central idea they gave to posterity was that an economy is actually an organized
process of cyclical reproduction, in
which what is produced as output in one cycle of production serves as input into
production in the next cycle of production.
They had in mind agriculture, in which some of the crop is set aside as
seed for the next planting, but their idea has quite general application. Both Adam Smith and David Ricardo adopted
this way of thinking about the economy, and Ricardo especially made it central
to his analysis. Ricardo was of course
well aware that one can find some things for sale in the market that are not reproducible in the way imagined by the
Physiocrats. His examples were old
master paintings and fine wines grown on a particular side of the hill [you
gotta love Ricardo!]. The prices of
these things, no doubt, he said, were determined by the intersection of
supply and demand -- by their
scarcity and by how much buyers wanted
them. But Ricardo brushed these aside as
of no interest, because, he thought, they were not typical of the commodities
being poured out of the factories or grown on the entrepreneurial farms in nineteenth
century England. The prices of those
commodities, Ricardo said, were determined by the amount of labor required,
either directly or indirectly, for their production.
There was of course one input into production that it was
absolutely impossible to brush aside in the way that Ricardo had dealt with old
masters and fine wine, namely land. The entrepreneurs who rented land in order to
run profit-making agricultural enterprises paid rent on that land to the
aristocratic hereditary landowners. So
how could the price of their corn be determined solely by the labor directly or
indirectly required for its production when in addition to the cost of wages
and other inputs, they were forced to pay rent?
In a brilliant tour de raison,
Ricardo succeeded in demonstrating that those rental payments are in fact a
diversion of profits from the capitalists to the landowners, not part of the cost of production, and
hence play no role in the determination of price.
Marx, who was
thoroughly familiar with the entire history of economic theory up to his own
day, embraced this conception of reproduction, and made it the foundation of
his new version of the Labor Theory of Value. Like Ricardo before him, Marx concentrated his
attention on reproducible commodities
whose inputs into their production were the output of previous cycles of
production. Everything in his Labor
Theory of Value depends on this assumption.
Consequently, when I read Professor Kliman's statement that
apples and broccoli "grow on their own," I was puzzled. What sort of economy could it be in which the
goods consumed by the workers are not produced
but rather grow on their own? A feudal economy? Certainly not. In a feudal economy, the peasants use tools
and seed and other produced goods as inputs into their productive
activities? A slave economy? No, for the same reason.
And then it struck me.
Professor Kliman must be talking about a hunting and gathering economy, like those that anthropologists tell
us characterized the lives of our forebears prior to the Neolithic Revolution
ten thousand years ago or so. In the
apples and broccoli world that Professor Kliman has conjured up for us, men and
women range across the savannah collecting apples from wild apple trees and
gathering wild broccoli. [Wikipedia
tells me that there is no such thing as wild broccoli, the plant having been
developed by selective breeding in the Northern Mediterranean in the 6th
century B. C., but that is neither here nor there.] They do this for wages, we may suppose,
because, as always seems to happen, a few men have used force of arms [and the
ideological rationalizations of philosophy and religion] to exclude the rest of
the population from access to the wild apple and broccoli groves.
Well, I must admit, Professor Kliman has stumped me. In all the years that I have been turning
this subject over in my mind, albeit as an amateur, it simply has never occurred
to me to wonder whether Marx's Labor Theory of Value is valid for
Hunter-Gatherer economies. If he says it
is, I will take his word for it, so long as he will agree with me that it does
not do the trick for economies of produced commodities.
There is another point that needs to be discussed, and I
have a suspicion that Professor Kliman may consider it a good deal more
important than all of our quibblings about corn/iron or Gummi Bear/Botox or
apple/broccoli hypothetical examples. On page 3, Professor Kliman alludes to things his colleague, Professor Freeman,
has been saying for many years now about how real capitalist economies actually function. What he cites Professor Freeman as saying is
of course true, but it also raises an important methodological question that I
ought to address.
In trying to get a handle on the real inner workings of
something as complex as a capitalist economy, there are, it seems to me, two quite
different ways in which we may proceed.
The first way is to seize the actual economy in all of its confusion and
try to wrestle it to the ground, as it were, gathering facts and attempting to
impose some order on what is, at first sight, hopelessly complex. That approach can be frustrating and
extremely difficult, but it has the great virtue of keeping one in touch with the
reality of the world. The second way is
to start with a deliberately simple case and analyze it, formulating general
propositions about it that one can demonstrate to be true precisely because one
has bracketed out all the complications.
Then, step by step, one starts to add in those complications, at each stage checking to see whether one's
original propositions can still be defended.
Economists have a nice term for this.
The more complexity one can introduce into one's explanation while still
managing to defend the explanation, the more robust it is [by analogy with a person who is described as physically
robust if she can withstand heat or cold or hunger or attacks by bacteria.]
As I have several times indicated, I interpret Marx as
having adopted this second line of attack, but Marx never says that, so far as
I am aware, and so it is obviously open to another reader of Marx to insist
that he adopted some other method. I
don't think it makes much sense to argue about this. The proof is in the pudding. All that matters is which approach proves
more fruitful. And of course, in matters of fruitfulness as in matters of pudding, taste
plays a large role.
Well, that concludes my response, but I cannot stop without
at least taking note of the business about arsenic and sheep. Professor Kliman does me the great courtesy
of simply assuming that I will recognize the reference, but since my readers
may be unfamiliar with it, let me explicate.
Voltaire, ever the enemy of the Catholic Church, observed sardonically
"Incantations will destroy a flock of sheep if administered with a certain
quantity of arsenic." Joan
Robinson, the doyenne of the English
Sraffians, invoked Voltaire's remark in her book, An Essay on Marxian Economics:
"No point of substance in Marx's argument depends upon
the labour theory of value. Voltaire
remarked that it is possible to kill a flock of sheep by witchcraft if you give
them plenty of arsenic at the same time.
The sheep, in the figure, may well stand for the complacent apologists
of capitalism; Marx's penetrating insight and bitter hatred of oppression
supply the arsenic, while the labour theory of value provides the
incantations." [Quoted in my Moneybags Must Be So Lucky, page 15.]
Professor Kliman, in a lovely concluding paragraph, takes
this condescending [and utterly wrong-headed] jest by Robinson and turns it on
me. Touché,
Professor Kliman. I tip my hat to you.
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